Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-12 WG LC (5/24 to 6/7)

"Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com> Wed, 25 May 2016 10:05 UTC

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From: "Van De Velde, Gunter (Nokia - BE)" <gunter.van_de_velde@nokia.com>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>, Gunter Van De Velde <guntervandeveldecc@icloud.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-12 WG LC (5/24 to 6/7)
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Indeed, nothing on protocol level. Apologies for the confusion.

I was thinking about an operational message and something similar as last paragraph of chapter 4.1 from draft-ietf-grow-ops-reqs-for-bgp-error-handling-07… 

“”
Since the Non-Critical error handling required within this section
   results in no NOTIFICATION message being transmitted, the fact that
   an error has occurred, and there may be inconsistency between the
   local and remote BGP speaker MUST be flagged to the network operator
   through standard operational interfaces (e.g., SNMP, syslog).  The
   information highlighted MUST include the NLRI identified to be
   contained within the error message, and SHOULD contain a exact copy
   of the received message for further analysis.

“”

G/

On 25/05/16 11:45, "Idr on behalf of Randy Bush" <idr-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of randy@psg.com> wrote:

>>>> Section 5 – par1: When using the more liberal policy, I believe it
>>>> would make sense to indicate a message that an extended message was
>>>> received while it was not expected at all
>>> 
>>> please be specific.  by "indicate a message" are you suggesting a new
>>> "you sent a surprise" response message?
>> 
>> Yes, indeed… something in a syslog or so that the peer sent some
>> unexpected packet to alert the ops team to look into it.
>
>so you do not mean a bgp message, but rather that errors should be
>logged and maybe an snmp trap raised.  so, if we start to add a short
>sentence or paragraph on this to the end of section 5, how far do you
>want to go?  is there something to which we could point?
>
>randy
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