Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 01 December 2012 00:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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> There is ample demand for doing this

in the current world, there is demand for all sorts of things.

but is there actual need?  i.e. the current widely deployed practice of
re-using an AS for many customers and applying the 'ignore as loop' hack
seems to be working well.  what we do not have is that hack formalized.
i think wes and shane are working on that, but i could be wrong.

> There is ample demand for doing this, it's simply not represented by
> the SP community.

you will note a large number of SPs speaking against this proposal

randy