Re: [Idr] [Lsvr] Issue 2: Auto-configuration Requirements - draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery-requirements

"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Wed, 12 June 2019 18:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] [Lsvr] Issue 2: Auto-configuration Requirements - draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery-requirements
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Robert and Randy: 

Let me see if I can start a clear discussion on auto-configuration.   Give
me a few hours.

Sue 

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Subject: Re: [Idr] [Lsvr] Issue 2: Auto-configuration Requirements -
draft-xu-idr-neighbor-autodiscovery-requirements

> BGP is opaque to all of this. It just by mistake happens to be 
> overused today also here, but this will be fixed with time.

build an extensible protocol and the resume builders will come.  one of my
favority postel quotes

    It's perfectly appropriate to be upset.  I thought of it in a
    slightly different way--like a space that we were exploring and, in
    the early days, we figured out this consistent path through the
    space: IP, TCP, and so on.  What's been happening over the last few
    years is that the IETF is filling the rest of the space with every
    alternative approach, not necessarily any better.  Every possible
    alternative is now being written down.  And it's not useful.

and, if we look at dns, it does not get fixed over time.  the best we get is
the rate of embellisment slows.

randy

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