Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-05.txt (2/4/2021 to 2/18/2021)
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Hi Gyan. > From an operator standpoint knobs used today as you mentioned Ingres filtering is not user other then a generic bit wise prefix list to permit a any “ge le”. The point is that if you use existing shipping implementations and apply correct ingress policy - with zero code change to any shipping implementation - you will protect from fire hence no need to invent new extinguishers. Fire always results in damage so it's worth to spend extra cfg effort to protect from it. It works and scales for Internet so will work and scale for VPNs. Yes it requires perhaps change to operational model of some providers on how L3VPNs or L2VPNs are being offered - but it can be as simple as web page for customer to enter what routes he intends to send. If he enters 100K routes while his SLA allows max 100 per site simple web page validation can provide an error and no policy will be installed on the PEs. Thx, Robert
- [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-orf-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Wei Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… wangzitao
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Dongjie (Jimmy)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Lizhenbin
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… john heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Wanghaibo (Rainsword)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… chongfeng.xie@foxmail.com
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gert Doering
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… UTTARO, JAMES
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Brendon H
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Chenshuanglong
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Chengli (Cheng Li)
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… li_zhenqiang@hotmail.com
- Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call for draft-wang-idr-rd-… Weiqiang Cheng