Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range

Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Tue, 03 July 2012 11:09 UTC

Return-Path: <jhaas@slice.pfrc.org>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C70021F8709 for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:09:48 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -102.211
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.054, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1NSUzOaDdt+m for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A941B21F86D6 for <idr@ietf.org>; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 04:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 001FAD0D8; Tue, 3 Jul 2012 07:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 07:09:54 -0400
From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
To: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120703110954.GC10161@pfrc>
References: <20120702164834.GB13713@puck.nether.net> <20120702184737.GV18361@pfrc> <20120703015521.GB22452@puck.nether.net> <CAL9jLaY3iO7-4v7DUSAy28zEkRpShqgbDBCeBegcy8HsdH2N-A@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <CAL9jLaY3iO7-4v7DUSAy28zEkRpShqgbDBCeBegcy8HsdH2N-A@mail.gmail.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14)
Cc: idr@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Idr] new ID on expansion of private use ASN range
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2012 11:09:48 -0000

On Tue, Jul 03, 2012 at 12:16:15AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
> I'd like to see a good discussion on 'why not just get public asns for
> all this sort of stuff'
> If there never were private-asns, if asns were as plentiful as rain,
> why NOT just use them instead? What would be required to go on as we
> want, without making making more private-asns?

The answer probably is something along the lines of "ARIN charges $500 for a
registration and $100 per year for 'maintenance'".  Modulo waiving part of
this if you're already paying for address space.  (And I'm only picking on
ARIN because they're the first site I checked.)

Frankly I'd rather see the RIRs have *4-byte* AS number pricing in line with 
the cost of registering a domain ($20 US) and then kill this draft.  (Note,
also spoken as someone who was going to author a similar draft.)

This would then move the desired feature to such tom-foolery as "AS hiding"
as a feature, but such things don't require standardization.

-- Jeff