Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06.txt
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Sat, 05 November 2016 18:57 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06.txt
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> > However, given the heated discussion about prescribing a canonical > representation for -large-communities, is this a subject for an IDR rfc? > IMO it is. Reason being that RFC will be read by someone who is tasked to implement it and unless spec clearly at least recommends one way we will have a mix of behaviors. > Isn't it a subject for a customer-vendor meeting? Honestly customer-vendor meetings are for new policy knobs. I really do not recall any EBC where customer were successful in asking vendor to change any deployed defaults. Defaults once set during implementation usually stay for a long time. > Is changing the language > > about propagating recognized transitive attributes going to change these > vendor's defaults? > Well I believe so. Notice that as much as folks likes large to be "like" 1997 it is not 100%. Even by your cisco example .. there is already send-community standard vs extended knob. Large will be new addition and in addition to "both" they will likely add also "all" keyword. So if we want to make large nicely transitive I think it is now a good time to add this to draft/rfc just to have a common agreed way on the expected outcome in any implementation. As to why we have this knob in the first place from the early days I recall it was based on ISPs who wanted to have RFC1997 local within their AS only by default - such that they do not need any extra policy in order not to propagate it over eBGP. Does the same design applies to Large ? Note that I am not suggesting large must be propagate by default. But I think it would be good to have mandated by the spec consistency across BGP implementations - propagate or do not propagate. Thx, r.
- [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06.txt Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- [Idr] Fwd: Review of draft-ietf-large-community-0… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jay Borkenhagen
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] [RTG-DIR] Review of draft-ietf-large-co… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Ignas Bagdonas
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Zhuangshunwan
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06… Zhuangshunwan