[Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-14 (7/8 to 7/ - call continues from 7/8 to 7/26/2024

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Tue, 23 July 2024 23:38 UTC

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>> there are many rfcs which various vendors do not implement.
>> 
>> but, if you believe this, imiho this draft becomes useless and should
>> fail last call.
> 
> As written, the current text says you're non-conformant if you ever
> generate as-sets.  Would you be supportive of the MUST being "MUST NOT
> generate as-sets by default"?  I.e., a change of default behavior?

s/default/without explicit configuration contradicting this
specification/

randy