[Idr] Shepherd's report on draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-04
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draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-04 date: 12/12/2025 Reviewer: Susan Hares Status: Needs -05 draft before publication request. Shepherd's Detailed review: Major: None Minor issues: 1) RTG-DIR comment should be resolved. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-03-rtgdir-early-rogge-2025-07-28/ The question is whether NRP ID in draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-04 is a control plane ID or a data plane ID. There is no indication of NRP ID in BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute Sub TLV being different than NRP in the data plane. In my discussions with the authors during WG LC, they suggested that NRP ID in the NRP SubTLV is a control plane ID. draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-04 references draft-jiang-spring-sr-policy-nrp-04 to answer this question. I expected to see this answer clearly laid out in draft-jiang-spring-sr-policy-nrp-04. It is not 100% clear, but this can be fixed by clearly stating in draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-05 that it is a control plane NRP ID which is mapped to the data plane NRP ID. After reviewing the following document draft-ietf-idr-sr-policy-nrp-04 draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-policy-nrp-02 draft-jiang-spring-sr-policy-nrp-04 draft-ietf-pce-pcep-nrp-00 draft-ietf-6man-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-012, draft-ietf-mpls-mna-nrp-selector-00, and draft-ietf-teas-nrp-scalability-07 In my discussions with the authors during WG LC, they suggested that NRP ID in the NRP SubTLV is a control plane ID. To make sure there are no additional questions during Ketan's review, I sent a summary of my understanding of the NRP ID in BGP as a control plane to IDR, PCE, Spring and TEAS. I am waiting until 12/19 for an objection to this understanding. The email link to the email thread https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/idr/SyvJfNr27HWj5gdETxW_7GpkZU8/ Minor Issue 2) Textual issues impact the meaning in section 2, paragraph 3, Old text: / When the NRP sub-TLV is carried in the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute of an SR Policy NLRI, a segment list of the candidate path is considered invalid if the headend node of the SR Policy determines that the set of network resources corresponding to the NRP ID on network segments identified by the segment list do not exist. / New text: / When the NRP sub-TLV is carried in the BGP Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute associated with SR Policy NLRI, a segment list of the candidate path is considered invalid if the headend node of the SR Policy determines that the set of network resources corresponding to the NRP ID on network segments identified by the segment list do not exist. / Minor Issue 3) Editorial impacts the meaning in section 4, paragraph 2. Old text:/ If the NRP sub-TLV appears more than once, or its format is considered malformed, the associated BGP SR Policy NLRI is considered malformed and the "treat-as-withdraw" strategy of [RFC7606] MUST be applied. Old text:/ If the NRP sub-TLV appears more than once, or its format is considered malformed, the Tunnel Encapsulation Attribute associated with a BGP SR Policy NLRI is considered malformed and the "treat-as-withdraw" strategy of [RFC7606] MUST be applied./ Sue Hares