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Re: [Idr] One week extension to WGLC for draft-ietf-idr-large-community

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Hilliard" <nick@foobar.org>
To: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>
Cc: "John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net>; "idr wg" <idr@ietf.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:12 AM
> t.petch wrote:
> > An issue that came up earlier and that I did not see resolved was
> > what constitutes a duplicate.  This is binary so we don't have the
> > issues that character comparisons do but is it the same bit pattern
> > from start to finish, the same semantics or something between the
> > two?  A case I have in mind is when the same semantics appear in
> > RFC1997 format and also in LC format; is that a duplicate?.
>
> rfc1997 and LC being different namespaces, no.

So you have someone been happily using RFC1997 for years with success
when one of their pesky peers goes and gets a 32-bit ASN and suddenly
they cannot use RFC1997 any more and have to start using LC, to do
exactly the same thing as they have been doing for ages.

We are now saying 'ah no, this is two separate unrelated bits of
technology that cannot be compared and you must treat as different'.
Someone with a 32-bit ASN is in a different universe to someone with a
16-bit ASN.

Mmmm not very friendly.

Tom Petch

> Nick

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