Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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> the data center community has, for better or worse, decided that BGP > is their protocol of choice. Frankly, I find it mildly nauseating, > but it's very clear that they are going to use BGP regardless of what > you and I say. agreed but this is not what is in the ID or was not the discussion (that i remember, with large caveats on my memory). it has been about hiding isp customers behind private asns, which we know how to do already. while nauseating, this is a more compelling argument. and i note that it does not have the merger problem the isp model has. or, more precisely, when it has the merger problem, it falls only on the fools who made it. update the draft to make these arguments, i will support it, and i suspect other dissidents will as well. randy
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservati… John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Chandra Appanna
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Will White
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Shane Amante
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Mick O'Rourke
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Danny McPherson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Danny McPherson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Danny McPherson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Enke Chen
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jay Borkenhagen
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Tauber
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Pradosh Mohapatra (pmohapat)
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Pradosh Mohapatra (pmohapat)
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Pradosh Mohapatra (pmohapat)
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Tauber
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Shane Amante
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Shane Amante
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Russ White
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Chandra Appanna
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Neil J. McRae
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Allan Eising
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jakob Heitz
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Michael H Lambert
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Martin Millnert
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Martin Millnert
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard Hartmann
- [Idr] On FIB sizing... Tony Li
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] On FIB sizing... Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservati… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard Hartmann
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard A Steenbergen
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Stewart Bryant