Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Thu, 29 November 2012 20:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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Hi Geoff, It is not about uniqueness or not. It is about uniqueness within a scope .. here scope being private network. If that would not be useful we would not have 2 octet private AS range nor RFC1918 and I think from personal experience that the last two serve very well for what they were designed. Cheers, R. > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Geoff Huston <gih@apnic.net> wrote: > > On 30/11/2012, at 7:14 AM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > >> Hi Geoff, >> >> So let me ask a very simple question in light of Brian's point .. >> >> Is it better for someone privately to just pick random 100K of ASes >> from 4 octet block and apply to his private needs or is it better if >> such pool is well known ? > >> >> Who is going to stop Jon or Kevin or Sasha to do the former ? Internet-CIA ??? > > > (I love false dichotomies!) > > Of course when presented with this kind of either/or argument then the > obvious answer is "neither". > > If uniqueness is important then use a registry system that provides > uniqueness of assigned/allocated code points. > > If uniqueness is unimportant then use the same code point, because, well, > uniqueness was not important was it. > > Did I say already that I was opposed to the progress of this draft from > WG Last Call to the IESG? > > Geoff >
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- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Neil J. McRae
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Edward Crabbe
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… David Farmer
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Warren Kumari
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jon Mitchell
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Jeff Wheeler
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Richard A Steenbergen
- Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reser… Stewart Bryant