Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-20

"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Thu, 09 March 2017 01:34 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-20
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Jeff:

Caveat - I am not commenting on operational issues.  If your brief comment
denotes some operational issues, I would appreciate a longer description
on-list or off-list. 

If you are comment on the functionality within the RFC4271 FSM, I am not
sure why the "wiggle room is reduced when the open message size is changed"?
I have been specific on this list as to the functionality a message header
length error enacts (Event 21) versus an Open Message Header enacts (Event
22).    Please be as specific in your response if it is a FSM issues. 

Sue 

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Haas
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Cc: idr wg; Robert Raszuk; idr-chairs@ietf.org;
draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages@ietf.org; Susan Hares
Subject: Re: [Idr] AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages-20


> On Mar 8, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Enke Chen <enkechen@cisco.com>; wrote:
> 
> If one has to send a large OPEN, then it is rejected by the remote 
> speaker, then the session needs to be held down (or for slow retry) 
> until the remote speaker is upgraded or the OPEN size reduced locally as
you are saying.
> 
> The details need to be specified in a new revision.

This covers my prior comment: The minute you move to extended BGP Open size,
you change what wiggle room we've left for version negotiation.

And perhaps that's fine.  I've spent my entire networking life in BGP-4.  A
BGP-5 that only has interop with BGP-4 will likely be fine.

That said, you need to say this in the specs.

-- Jeff

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