Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129

Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> Wed, 02 November 2016 11:27 UTC

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 12:27:54 +0100
From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 11:37:46AM +0100, Gert Doering wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 02, 2016 at 10:32:45AM +0000, t.petch wrote:
> > So we have a definition that has been in use for three years, in the
> > context of IANA, which is, to quote,
> > "  Specific entries in a registry can be marked as "obsolete" (no longer
> >    in use) or "deprecated" (use is not recommended). "
> > 
> > I believe that this I-D cannot be understood without reference to that
> > definition, hence my opposition to an I-D that leaves the interpretation
> > of 'deprecated' up to the reader (who may assume that the SMI definition
> > is appropriate).
> 
> So what you're saying is "add a link to that reference, and all is good"?
> 
> Why is that interfering with draft *adoption*?  Sounds more like wordsmithing
> for the then-WG document before WGLC to me, not a fundamental reason to not
> accept the draft.

No, it appears that Tom is saying that IDR cannot deprecate codepoints
until IETF/IANA have developed a deeper understanding of the word
"deprecate".

Tom, can you confirm that in retrospect you would've opposed
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6938 too, and that it is not clear to you
what that RFC accomplishes?

Tom, do you have an alternative strategy to prevent value 30 from being
assigned as path attribute value to the next early allocation, other
then adopting and publishing draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129?

Kind regards,

Job