Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)

Wesley George <wesgeorge@puck.nether.net> Tue, 18 October 2016 17:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)
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On 10/18/16, 12:05 PM, "Nick Hilliard" <nick@foobar.org>; wrote: <>


     I'm not sure if this is a good

    idea, as it could be interpreted as sending a message to vendors that

    squatting path attribute code points will result in being told, "that's

    very naughty and we're going to punish you by ensuring that no-one else

    gets these numbers, so don't do it again!"



I agree with the pragmatic approach of re-allocating so that we aren’t dependent on various network operators to upgrade code to fix this problem before large communities can be deployed, but I share the concern about this setting a bad precedent and rewarding bad behavior. Admittedly we have little leverage beyond finger-wagging, but I think the appropriate response here is to ensure a bit of diulian 丟臉 (lose face) aka name and shame for those making the "mistake".

For example, an addition to the IANA considerations section such as:

IANA is requested to allocate a new codepoint after early testing of the early-allocated codepoint revealed router vendors such as Huawei with production software making unauthorized use of (squatting on) unused codepoints including attribute 30 and 129 in a way that breaks interoperability if the original early-allocation codepoint were used.



Wes George