Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-03.txt

"UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com> Thu, 28 June 2018 11:02 UTC

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From: "UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com>
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The notion of a group of AS domains that "trust" each other has been a discussion we have had over the last number of years.. For a hypothetical world-wide network which uses different AS numbers based on geography it is desirable to craft a trusted set, as a given tunneled service i.e 2547, EVPN, Kompella etc.. is deployed across all of these AS domains. One could imagine a migration to a single AS but this is not realistic..

Thanks,
	Jim Uttaro

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From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@orange.com
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To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-03.txt

Hi Randy,

[Trimming the list to IDR]

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
 > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:47 AM
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 > Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-next-hop-capability-03.txt
 > 
 > from the sec cons
 > 
 >     an operator who is relying on the information carried in BGP must have a
 >     transitive trust relationship back to the source of the information.
 >     Specifying the mechanism(s) to provide such a relationship is beyond the
 >     scope of this document.
 > 
 > call the security police!
 
This is intended to be just stating a fact.
Would you mind elaborating on your comment?

Coming back to this document, the attribute is related to node indicated in the BGP NEXT_HOP which is usually not far away from you, including from a trust perspective. Also this attribute is explicitly removed when the NEXT_HOP is changed, and the attribute is non-transitive.
Finally, the first application is for labelled (MPLS) routes which typically imply a trust boundary.

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno
 
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