Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Fri, 21 April 2017 16:01 UTC

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From: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:00:21 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard
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Gert & Nick

Your answer perfectly proves that what we need is education on how to write
proper BGP policy.

Enforcing by RFC someting which everyone else considers a big secret and
private data is and will be of no solution to the root of the problem.

I am to proceed with this draft fwd if in the same time in the draft itself
we document what proper bgp policy is.

Otherwise it is like enforcing something which those who (in spite of their
good intentions) do not do today will continue not doing tomorrow.

Cheers
R.

On Apr 21, 2017 17:37, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net>; wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 05:19:28PM +0200, Robert Raszuk wrote:
> > Are we really that bad in Internet NOCs ? Do we need configuration
> > enforcement and RFCs like this ?
>
> Yes, and yes.
>
> Even if I cannot discern whether this was meant as rhetoric questions -
> the answer is still yes.  If you assume that 40.000 of those ASes have
> noone on-site who has any idea how BGP works, you are likely still too
> optimistic about the level of understanding out there.
>
> Gert Doering
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