Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages (11/12 to 11/26)
"Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" <jheitz@cisco.com> Fri, 17 November 2017 18:22 UTC
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From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" <jheitz@cisco.com>
To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages (11/12 to 11/26)
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The ethernet auto-discovery route carries a route target for every EVI on the ethernet segment. There can be a lot of EVIs sharing an ethernet segment. You can get over 4000 vlans on an ethernet. This was a few years ago. Not sure if it's been fixed. Thanks, Jakob From: rraszuk@gmail.com [mailto:rraszuk@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:05 AM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> Cc: Interminable Discussion Room <idr@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages (11/12 to 11/26) Hi Jakob, So if this is no longer needed for bgpsec perhaps you can share with IDR what type of cargo BESS cooked for BGP transport jets to now carry ? Millions of MAC addresses packed into extended communities ? Something worse ? Thanks a lot, Robert. On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 9:00 PM, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com<mailto:jheitz@cisco.com>> wrote: Yes, extended-messages was originally proposed, because bgpsec required it. However, it doesn't anymore, because it is now using a shorter signature than before. https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-protocol-23.txt There are some cases in EVPN that require lots of extended communities to be sent. This is why in my proposed text, I said "feature" not "capability". Thanks, Jakob -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com<mailto:randy@psg.com>] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 10:33 PM To: Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com<mailto:jheitz@cisco.com>> Cc: Interminable Discussion Room <idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>> Subject: Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extended-messages (11/12 to 11/26) > The reason I went further than that is that with extended messages, > it's not just about a speaker and its neighbor anymore, it's about a > whole BGP space. < bitchiness, it's been two weeks in s'pore > the original extended messages draft was restricted to update messages for the purpose of bgpsec. and bgpsec required it. and when bgpsec hits a neighbor which does not speak bgpsec, it strips all the crypto bloat and then the update fits in 4095 as it is the same as today. this was not an accident. but the idr wg, it its tradition of embellishment, asked for other messages to be extended (some suggested open be extended too, a real rat-hole). well, bright folk, you want it, you figure it out. send text. and small simple text, < 500 words. if you can not keep it simple, that should tell you something. rndy _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org<mailto:Idr@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
- [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-extend… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… heasley
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Randy Bush
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- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
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- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] WG Last Call foir draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ex… Jeffrey Haas
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