[Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-14 (7/8 to 7/ - call continues from 7/8 to 7/26/2024
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From: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
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As a Shepherd, I agree with your comment of a change to MUST not. Sue From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 3:08 PM To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> Cc: idr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-set-confed-set-14 (7/8 to 7/ - call continues from 7/8 to 7/26/2024 i guess i missed some discussion, but could someone please explain the use of SHOULD as opposed to MUST here? BGP speakers conforming to this document (i.e., conformant BGP speakers) SHOULD NOT locall External (randy@psg.com<mailto:randy@psg.com>) Report This Email<https://protection.inkyphishfence.com/report?id=bmV0b3JnMTA1ODY5MTIvc2hhcmVzQG5kemguY29tLzAyODdmM2M1NzNlOWViNzEzZDkwYmYwZGM1MzNhMWE1LzE3MjE3NjE2NzQuMjE=#key=8d96741892eef5600a11be268d7a12a6> FAQ<https://www.godaddy.com/help/report-email-with-advanced-email-security-40813> GoDaddy Advanced Email Security, Powered by INKY<https://www.inky.com/protection-by-inky> i guess i missed some discussion, but could someone please explain the use of SHOULD as opposed to MUST here? BGP speakers conforming to this document (i.e., conformant BGP speakers) SHOULD NOT locally generate BGP UPDATE messages containing AS_SETs or AS_CONFED_SETs. Conformant BGP speakers SHOULD NOT send BGP UPDATE messages containing AS_SETs or AS_CONFED_SETs. seems to me that, if an implementation is *conformant* it does not send as_sets or as_confed_sets, full stop. randy
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Susan Hares
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Susan Hares
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Job Snijders
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Randy Bush
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Nick Hilliard
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Randy Bush
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Lubashev, Igor
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Randy Bush
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Randy Bush
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Susan Hares
- [Idr] Re: WG LC for draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-as-s… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)