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Amanda,

Nat Kao has noted that we're addressing the helpful early review =
comments IANA has provided in various github issues.  This one addresses =
the FCFS procedures with regard to regular vs. extended types covered in =
https://github.com/ietf-wg-idr/draft-ietf-idr-rfc4360-bis/issues/17. =20


> On Oct 30, 2025, at 7:43 PM, Amanda Baber via RT =
<iana-issues@iana.org> wrote:
> 4) There might be an issue related to this paragraph, which is carried =
over from RFC 4360: =E2=80=9CThe value allocated for a Regular Type MUST =
NOT be reused as the value of the high-order octet when allocating an =
Extended Type. The value of the high-order octet allocated for an =
Extended Type MUST NOT be reused when allocating a Regular Type.=E2=80=9D
>=20
> The potential problem is that values can be assigned via the First =
Come First Served registration procedure, but those values don=E2=80=99t =
receive any kind of review by anyone outside of IANA, and IANA=E2=80=99s =
Operations team isn=E2=80=99t equipped to make this determination. =
Should the First Come First Served procedure be changed to a lightweight =
Expert Review, with guidance to the expert that they only need to check =
for this? Or do the ranges of values made available in the registries' =
"Registration Procedure" fields already guarantee that this won=E2=80=99t =
happen?
>=20

In principle, we can likely craft instructions IANA can carry out with =
regard to this restriction.  Simply put, the "type" field, if defined as =
"regular" MUST NOT permit sub-type fields and therefore child =
registries.  As of this time, several such registrations are present in =
the extended community registry:

=
https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-extended-communities/bgp-extended-com=
munities.xhtml

Consider the examples of "QoS marking", "CoS capability" and others.

Is it IANA's recommendation to attempt to create additional guidance =
about this relationship or would it be IANA's preference for the "light =
weight review"? If the light weight review, is there current boilerplate =
normative text we should consider adding to the IANA considerations to =
cover this?  I note that IANA tends to run FCFS reservations for this =
registry by the IDR chairs anyway.

-- Jeff


