Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries
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From: "Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)" <ketant@cisco.com>
To: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
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Thread-Topic: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries
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Hi John, I have absolutely no issue (and completely agree) with the text that Adrian has proposed for the DE guidelines in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01#section-2.1 and I do defer to his expertise & experience on this. (Adrian, now it is in writing 😉) My only point was that we are changing the policy from Specification Required to Expert Review only because of this bit about IDs not being "permanent". As such it perhaps needs a broader look from IANA and as advised by Alvaro, I will share this feedback with them. The point regarding process overheads and additional gatekeepers that you referred to was with the Early Allocation Process defined in RFC7120. However, I believe we are talking "allocation" under Specification Required and not "early allocation" - so the process described in RFC7120 does not apply? I somehow got the impression that RFC7120 was more about the schemes that were more stringent that Specification Required as described in RFC8126. I may be wrong. In any case, I have no issues with the proposal on table and I will just share my feedback with IANA for them to review. Thanks, Ketan -----Original Message----- From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> Sent: 26 July 2019 13:05 To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> Cc: adrian@olddog.co.uk; idr wg <idr@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Hi Ketan, I am hoping our hallway conversation after the meeting resolved your concern, but if it didn’t please follow up. Regards, —John > On Jul 26, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hello Adrian, > > IMO Specification Required is still the right and correct mechanism - we do need a specification that is available permanently! > > Just because of a misalignment between "permanent archival/availability" aspect and this text related to I-Ds that say they are "temporary", we should not fall back to Expert Review. Specification Required includes Expert Review. > > Why can't RFC8126 be fixed to say that for the purpose of Specification Required, the I-Ds are acceptable. We definitely do need defined TLVs and documentation of their usage. Otherwise, things can get chaotic. > > Please excuse my ignorance of the IANA/IETF procedures and correct me. > > Thanks, > Ketan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: 26 July 2019 10:40 > To: 'idr wg' <idr@ietf.org> > Subject: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries > > Hi, > > jgs spotted some typos (I didn't have time to run spell check before this morning). > Donald pointed out a concern with the guidance to the DE. > > Best, > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: I-D-Announce <i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of > internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: 26 July 2019 15:35 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: I-D Action: draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > > Title : Updates to the Allocation Policy for the Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registries > Author : Adrian Farrel > Filename : draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-01.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2019-07-26 > > Abstract: > RFC 7752 defines Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS). IANA > created a registry consistent with that document called the "Border > Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) Parameters Registry" with a > number of sub-registries. 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- [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries John Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Ketan Talaulikar (ketant)
- Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Adrian Farrel
- Re: [Idr] Update to update to BGP-LS registries Donald Eastlake