Re: [Idr] [GROW] operator inputs -- route leak solution

Andrei Robachevsky <andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com> Thu, 23 March 2017 14:51 UTC

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From: Andrei Robachevsky <andrei.robachevsky@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] [GROW] operator inputs -- route leak solution
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Gert Doering wrote on 23/03/2017 08:45:
> Please explain to me how this is going to work if "lazy upstream ISP" 
> keeps being lazy, and does nothing.

I agree. However the motivation for the proposed solution comes from the
desire to fix the problem in the future when RPKI and BGPSEC are
deployed, but neither of these technologies protects against leaks.

In the meantime a lazy upstream ISP can still turn the check on, which
is much easier than maintaining filters for their customers cone.

Andrei