Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)

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Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)
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On Oct 19, 2016, at 12:58 PM, t.petch <ietfc@btconnect.com>; wrote:
> But then RFC7120 has
> 
> ' The WG chairs are responsible for informing IANA
>   that the expired assignments are not required and that the code
>   points are to be marked "deprecated".
> 
>   A deprecated code point is not marked as allocated for use as
>   described in any document (that is, it is not allocated) and is not
>   available for allocation in a future document.  The WG chairs may
>   inform IANA that a deprecated code point can be completely
>   de-allocated (i.e., made available for new allocations) at any time
>   after it has been deprecated'
> 
> So I think that deprecation is permanent until you say otherwise so I
> guess that makes you right!

Could be even clearer, but as you say if closely parsed it does agree with what I reckoned it meant.

Thanks!

--John