Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Wed, 12 December 2012 21:07 UTC

Return-Path: <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E0F21E8034 for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:04 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -103.599
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZVDG3JDga9q1 for <idr@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ee0-f44.google.com (mail-ee0-f44.google.com [74.125.83.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C2721F8925 for <idr@ietf.org>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-ee0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b47so832160eek.31 for <idr@ietf.org>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:02 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=5isZGAUs9w2i9n2yMKkvWqopwKjHAiPTQUjUde72K38=; b=EvWOurkMCqRzGPB2aiRaSpFIxEVGtlYC5YDiXUrFKbp2w0wt9ccZ9/AiUWuJyuTiFp a4RnVjhqm2Khrh6XAlGBouVo7GA99poDG4EL1LvFhzfw4zGipinAHwMWw3hR0kYPbaQK tTuRLbNy3f8AMyoKMQ4Wv4JBqp+LqRX0PoOSJ8gliYuyKfYzYc5hMaAYmBhUX8F8J9BY jzPyRqKiaKhxhnowX5q+DiqNNEiKgWaT8XZSNyG8R9ryLaYWLzRe/z2+CrWcQ03vu4wc BYeRC4ChdifEFO/rPZm+ZuGU8EmXg95AW2/Bd7fEBkJG9/MNOsLi9ARLsxlphaStxR3M yZdw==
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.14.202.3 with SMTP id c3mr6020168eeo.4.1355346422584; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:02 -0800 (PST)
Sender: christopher.morrow@gmail.com
Received: by 10.223.177.5 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:07:02 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <FB0C298A-D18A-454C-B910-141B9ED853A2@puck.nether.net>
References: <CA+b+ERnuWZ+r2O-eFhe3hU00uoU4UKnRcbhLNVXU7p5+DjoWbQ@mail.gmail.com> <C6C16AE3B7961044B04A1BCEC6E2F93603D12A0C@xmb-rcd-x14.cisco.com> <20121210225858.GC24937@puck.nether.net> <m2d2yh32cw.wl%randy@psg.com> <CA+b+ERnSVvewSpftXs3FhW12-S+sgnB1SwD4L+xqFW+hhbQayw@mail.gmail.com> <7120600D-71BD-4E61-8F06-25B7C2BAE6A8@riw.us> <20121211185917.GA21813@puck.nether.net> <CA+b+ERnzo2BLWjE1J_dMfYuExbG9WYJroPE4ZAWg++KK2_jy1g@mail.gmail.com> <CA+b+ERm=Agr7b6JXcXOwiP4wBjnEFmnVNt5fAJrn18R0hGtSzg@mail.gmail.com> <50C78C29.3070406@foobar.org> <50C8B8D9.4090903@umn.edu> <50C8C491.4040705@foobar.org> <CAH1iCiqfZRLv2pBEg3gKxT=ZXf7AXCPJ_+QibOpgeFfOuqFK7g@mail.gmail.com> <50C8CE86.10103@umn.edu> <50C8CF69.4070202@foobar.org> <CA+b+ER=tp+tdmNomjAXpaRBG8cYNo1SybAr1WoJ9frBUSGoOrg@mail.gmail.com> <CAL9jLaaenLrpG7Rw2N2+CpBXmazS+tufa_2UZAHJT-GOn580Fw@mail.gmail.com> <CA+b+ERn4OM3BLbn90w74mrP_DsUb3-dUJc87LqtpJWhuFOLivg@mail.gmail.com> <FA7751F7-820B-41E4-AB56-BAB9D44BB353@kumari.net> <CA1705A3-1F62-46E4-999F-2F9DBE2E7378@puck.nether.net> <CAL9jLaYg+3vnOzwGLdpJCvB1obkUv_ZVa-p92z1FFg_T=8yNTw@mail.gmail.com> <FB0C298A-D18A-454C-B910-141B9ED853A2@puck.nether.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:07:02 -0500
X-Google-Sender-Auth: x5iwXaf97C3VFDm1x7K0PNl60nU
Message-ID: <CAL9jLab6+PpLEw8oBV6-_mLVTCzG2P-64z3Q+JtJGFneG1QBGQ@mail.gmail.com>
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
To: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
Cc: IETF IDR Working Group <idr@ietf.org>, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12
Precedence: list
List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing <idr.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/idr>
List-Post: <mailto:idr@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr>, <mailto:idr-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:04 -0000

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>
> On Dec 12, 2012, at 3:22 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
>>> Ideally the vendors along the path would not default advert their full table to someone without an explicit policy configured.  They would also make some of these settings more default.. remove-private should be the default behavior for this new space.
>>
>> is default-remove-private really the right thing to do? for some
>> 'internet connected' routers probably, for everyone? not likely.
>
> They can configure their policy to override the default behavior.

sure: "no ip directed broadcast"

> The problem I see is implementations that
>
> a) default sending all best-path routes to peers.  (at least one vendor has this as a major problem).

ok, fine thing to ask the vendors to fix.

> b) leak "private" space without explicit configurations to enable said action.

'what is private' ?

-chris