Return-Path: X-Original-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: idr@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B27131746 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:50:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMWQurooGSQW for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobil.space.net (mobil.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:81::67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6A95131690 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 00:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: idr@ietf.org Received: from mobil.space.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155DE619A5 for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:50:09 +0100 (CET) X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true X-SpaceNet-Relay: true Received: from moebius4.space.net (moebius4.space.net [IPv6:2001:608:2:2::251]) by mobil.space.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D47D61565; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:50:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by moebius4.space.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 8EA3B6BACB; Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:50:08 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 08:50:08 +0100 From: Gert Doering To: Brian Dickson Cc: Gert Doering , "Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)" , "grow@ietf.org" , "idr@ietf.org" , "sidrops@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-idr-route-leak-detection-mitigation.authors@ietf.org" , "sidr wg list (sidr@ietf.org)" Message-ID: <20170323075008.GL2367@Space.Net> References: <20170321205513.GA2367@Space.Net> <20170322143302.GG2367@Space.Net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mO1Hs8HP9h3I4vdI" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-NCC-RegID: de.space User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.2 (2016-11-26) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Idr] operator inputs -- route leak solution X-BeenThere: idr@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Inter-Domain Routing List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 07:50:15 -0000 --mO1Hs8HP9h3I4vdI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 03:13:02PM -0700, Brian Dickson wrote: > There is direct benefit to partial (even very sparse) deployment. >=20 > The deployment is self-serving; whoever turns this on protects themselves > and their downstream customers. Those that are interested in doing so already do customer route filtering today. For those that are not interested, where's the incentive in starting to do so if you have to do a software upgrade first (*and* the other upstreams of your customers need to send this attribute)? > This becomes a differentiator with direct benefits, and creates market > pressure to deploy. A-ha. Right, exactly like "filter customer routes" is working today to give "market pressure". I always had the impression that *market* pressure is totally in favour of "accept everything from the customer, send down the pipe whatever you can, and then bill the customer for the traffic"... Gert Doering -- NetMaster --=20 have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 --mO1Hs8HP9h3I4vdI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEruB5jRHVM+CjiYD131bAZeTOf8UFAljTfi8ACgkQ31bAZeTO f8W7hw//bAlzlXD1a6H3ecoJAHNUCg3o/AlWjKcwx4Uh8ztyMcRUoGvnLnQKozCU nnKc+9Eglx14VKwsLhikTkj4pd9cZd/xe+uY5HtQOo1DQR2jWQaA/HX28Vqg/PMS yNIpz0ePpFFNvjIwZjjFojuZSX6WNl4ulYauJOHwOJicnFC6Vqy71RbjasWgyZMO PQ6QP9FYOkOj9oAmG9rJQGY0rzGUk0QIA+n4VvhqWnqeGQlThyzYnVlDIvkfbQMd BpPJcCq7ftzY5uQHXDPQReX+VBTfbIKgt9ngHTW6DUIHCXOyBm0GJ541r+y2nail 4qyaTbPrEdFtMGttU7IsGseXTVAQgf454ts0N4M+AmuhkErO8J8otSHM15DrA7yB BVYk+c3zlnxhk15Q4oThG2kW5iYkYlBLDc4AaRILjK0cl6MKf33IAwU8wodsNwwS J0BWUucy+Flbu9pV6PT1u6122dLxSNBmPstZr3k+NGKLYqMBPtdTUsVSLxqSUhbj PwFWNcts8wTDGaU5vy7BW/spcrElnamsA4DYnNGt5D4Ya/YE2DsTAlGiC73bkakt Qj90NEdpwvE78EVKhMmNEGB6umP9q8D3UEqwVnh684zrVokV+Rw6GI5yQaRyuqnA x+dISBRm9qA/EQZDaSQsLf8rUcQRKa2fZRuxT+Os1ug1mO4uGlU= =yv6G -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mO1Hs8HP9h3I4vdI--