Re: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net> Mon, 05 August 2019 21:27 UTC

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From: John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>
To: Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk>
CC: "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, Hares Susan <shares@ndzh.com>
Thread-Topic: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt
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Subject: Re: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt
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Well obviously I (with my “working group member” rubber mask and fright wig) kind of want them but I was holding off on saying so because that's kind of obvious.

To reiterate for others’ benefit why I think this is worthwhile vs. early allocation:

- It reflects the author’s original intent, for whatever that’s worth. (The WG’s current intent is more important.)
- It provides the minimum of red tape, less even than early allocation.
- Because the number space is large, resolving the tension between red tape and the risk of something silly being allocated in favor of permissiveness is OK.
- Let’s not forget there’s still at least two humans in the loop (the Designated Expert and IANA).

That said, if the WG can’t generate enough enthusiasm to say “yes please” then I won’t cry, although I also won’t (with “WG co-chair” spangled epaulets and cravat on) feel as sympathetic next time someone tells me it’s too hard to get a code point.

—John

On Aug 5, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk<mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi WG,

I just want to rattle the bars of the cage a bit, here.

John (reliably) informs me that he had a number of conversations about the BGP-LS registries and their allocation policies: people (it seems) wanted more-relaxed rules.

It is possible that the advocates are the authors of the set of drafts that have just been pushed forward for “early allocation” and so no one cares any more.

Or it is possible that everyone is too busy.

Or, perhaps, no one wants these changes.

Thanks,
Adrian

From: Idr <idr-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of Susan Hares
Sent: 27 July 2019 01:37
To: idr@ietf.org<mailto:idr@ietf.org>
Subject: [Idr] WG adoption of draft-farrell-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt

This begins a 2 week WG adoption call for draft-farrel-idr-bgp-ls-registry-02.txt.

Let the discussion begin and in midst of your comments please remember to include "support" or "no support".


Adrian enjoy the discussion.

Cheerily  Sue



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