Re: [Idr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> Tue, 23 March 2021 20:44 UTC

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From: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-idr-bgp-ls-registry-04: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 08:39:59PM +0000, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> > This document changes the registration policy to "Expert Review" which,
> > as even quoted in this document, "has no requirement for a formal
> > document".  Yet the specific guidance to the expert is written as if
> > there will always be a document
> 
> Yeah, that's right.
> 
> According to 8126
> 
>    The required documentation and review criteria, giving clear guidance
>    to the designated expert, should be provided when defining the
>    registry.
> 
> That's what this document does. In other words, it takes Expert Review as the base, and then sets out the required documentation and review criteria.
> 
> > consider "[i]f the document is not
> > adopted by the IDR Working Group", "IANA will update [...] a reference
> > to the associated document", "[i]n the event that the document is", ...
> >
> > Is there a requirement for a document or not?  (Alternately, what
> > happens if there is a request with no associated document?)
> 
> There is a requirement for a document. But what is a document?
> This could be clearer 2.1. How about...
> 
> OLD
>    1.  Application for a code point allocation may be made to the
>        Designated Experts at any time.
> NEW
>    1.  Application for a code point allocation may be made to the
>        Designated Experts at any time, and MUST be accompanied
>        by technical documentation explaining the use of the code
>        point.  Such documentation SHOULD be presented in the
>        form of an Internet-Draft, but MAY arrive in any form that
>        can be reviewed and exchanged amongst reviewers.
> END

Excellent.  Thanks for the quick response; I will go clear this silly
discuss now so I don't have to worry about it anymore :)

Thanks,

Ben

> > COMMENT:
> >
> > Section 2
> >
> > The order the sub-registries are listed in here does not match the order
> > used at
> > https://www.iana.org/assignments/bgp-ls-parameters/bgp-ls-parameters.xhtml
> 
> Oh yes. I seem to have put them in alphabetic order.
> 
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>