Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was: Re: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)]
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From: "Jakob Heitz (jheitz)" <jheitz@cisco.com>
To: "John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net>, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com>
Thread-Topic: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was: Re: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)]
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was: Re: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)]
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I have no objection to letting "wide" have a codepoint. Even if it is not stable. Wide comms could add a version number into the header to satisfy (c), but even if it doesn't, I won't object. Thanks, Jakob. > -----Original Message----- > From: Idr [mailto:idr-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of John G. Scudder > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 10:25 AM > To: Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> > Cc: IETF IDR WG <idr@ietf.org> > Subject: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was: Re: BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) > was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25)] > > OK, if we're going straight to the early allocation request, let's fork the thread. Subject updated. > > As a reminder, RFC 7120 gives the criteria for early allocation. The ones I think are relevant for this discussion: > > b. The format, semantics, processing, and other rules related to > handling the protocol entities defined by the code points > (henceforth called "specifications") must be adequately described > in an Internet-Draft. > > IMO (speaking as a WG member) the current wide communities draft does this. > > c. The specifications of these code points must be stable; i.e., if > there is a change, implementations based on the earlier and later > specifications must be seamlessly interoperable. > > I am not sure this is true. Is it? > > d. The Working Group chairs and Area Directors (ADs) judge that > there is sufficient interest in the community for early (pre-RFC) > implementation and deployment, or that failure to make an early > allocation might lead to contention for the code point in the > field. > > We can judge this based on response to this thread. > > Thanks, > > --John > > On Oct 18, 2016, at 1:14 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote: > > Jeff: > > > > This is a good idea to just make 129 an early allocation for wide communities. > > > > Sue > > > > From: Jeffrey Haas [mailto:jhaas@pfrc.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2016 11:19 AM > > To: Sue Hares > > Cc: IETF IDR WG; Kristian Larsson > > Subject: Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attribute 30) was squatted on - Let's get a new attribute > number (1 week WG call (10/18 to 10/25) > > > > Sue, > > > > If 129 is not otherwise contended for, it may be reasonable to simply request early allocation for the wide > communities code point. > > > > -- Jeff > > > >> On Oct 18, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote: > >> > >> WG: > >> > >> Early testing of the Large Communities draft (draft-ietf-idr-large-community-03.txt) with attribute value of 30 > detect that we had an implementation squatting on attribute 30 by a Huawei router. “Squatting” on an attribute is > anti-social behavior in the Internet in any release of software. > >> > >> The individuals who did in Huawei have been contacted by Jie Dong, and “asked” if they had made this mistake in > any other attribute. These individuals confessed to Attribute 129 (for wide communities). These individuals > apologize to the Working group. > >> > >> Now what shall we do? The large community draft is critical for several networks. After talking with the > developers and operators, John and I would like to recommend we do the following: > >> > >> IDR should recommend that the following attribute numbers be deprecated: > >> > >> BGP Attribute 30 > >> BGP attribute 129 > >> > >> IDR should ask IANA to assign BGP Large Communities (currently Attribute 30) to a new attribute number. This is > a 1 week call to determine if the IDR approves this action. This call will allow the large communities draft to > still continue with the 2 week WG LC. > >> > >> John, Alvaro, and I have check the early allocation rules. Implementations should ask for early allocation prior > to releasing, and they do not need to be interoperability testing to request the early allocation for the attribute. > >> > >> Sue Hares > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Idr mailing list > >> Idr@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idr mailing list > > Idr@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
- [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attrib… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… bruno.decraene
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Michael H Lambert
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Kristian Larsson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Dickinson, Ian
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Julian Seifert
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [was:… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Peter Hessler
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Wesley George
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jared Mauch
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild 'Peter Hessler'
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early allocation for wide communities [… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Paul Jakma
- [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (Attrib… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… heasley
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… heasley
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… marco
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Sander Steffann
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Sander Steffann
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… t.petch
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… John G. Scudder
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Thomas Mangin
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… heasley
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Squatters (Was: BGP Attribute for Large… marco
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Colin Petrie
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Job Snijders
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Colin Petrie
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Unknown Attributes seen in the wild Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] BGP Attribute for Large communities (At… Zhuangshunwan