Re: [Idr] [RTG-DIR] Review of draft-ietf-large-community-06.txt

"John G. Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> Fri, 04 November 2016 18:32 UTC

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Geoff and Job,

I note that the WG already discussed this topic in some detail while the document was being developed and the text as it stands represents a consensus reached with knowledge of the tradeoffs. Certainly, if you can improve the readability, that's great. Or if you've identified some fundamental flaw, then we have to fix it. But short of that, I would caution against making changes that go much past the editorial.

(It does seem as though you are spiraling in to agreeing on some helpful editorial changes that stop short of going against the previous consensus, which is a relief to me.)

Thanks!

--John