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From: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>
To: Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>
CC: Lin Han <lin.han@futurewei.com>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>, INT Area <int-area@ietf.org>, "SARAH@jiscmail.ac.uk" <SARAH@jiscmail.ac.uk>, "UTTARO, JAMES" <ju1738@att.com>, "rtgwg@ietf.org" <rtgwg@ietf.org>
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Brian, Stewart and all,
RFC 2804  notwithstanding, IETF has published RFC 3924<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3924>  on Cisco LI Architecture.
This is not a formal contradiction, since 3924 has been published as Informational.
Can this be used as a precedent?




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From: rtgwg <rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Brian Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021, 10:25
To: Stewart Bryant
Cc: Lin Han; idr@ietf.org; INT Area; SARAH@jiscmail.ac.uk; UTTARO, JAMES; rtgwg@ietf.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Int-area] New Version Notification for draft-lhan-problems-requirements-satellite-net-00.txt

The IETF position on LI is not exactly that it's anathema, but that we will not standardise *any* intercept techniques, legal or otherwise. RFC 2804.


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    Brian Carpenter
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On Fri, 9 Jul 2021, 18:33 Stewart Bryant, <stewart.bryant@gmail.com<mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com>> wrote:
Unfortunately LI is not our call.

I know the IETF finds it an anathema but it is an unspoken (in IETF) reality of the telecommunications industry.

The concept of a huge number of highly portable, highly directional, microwave links that are then relayed opaquely to a foreign country is going to delight some agencies and give heartburn to their colleagues in other parts of the same agency cluster.

I think that we can all postulate how this would (will) be solved in a mega-cluster owned by a large ITU region 2 country, or a particularly large Asian country but I assume we want to design a global / universal system rather than one that will otherwise inevitably be partitioned due to geo-political security concerns.

Stewart

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