Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-mibv2-06.txt
"tom.petch" <cfinss@dial.pipex.com> Wed, 14 May 2008 17:42 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-bgp4-mibv2-06.txt
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Haas" <jhaas@pfrc.org> To: "tom.petch" <cfinss@dial.pipex.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:15 PM > Tom, > > On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:41:15AM +0200, tom.petch wrote: > > Jeff > > > > As far as I can see, there is but one place where working group feedback is > > requested and that is for > > > 5) InetAddress/InetAddressType > > but I am unclear what point you are asking about:-( > > Specifically: > > > OBJECT bgpPeerAfLocalAddr > > SYNTAX InetAddress (SIZE(4|16|20)) > > DESCRIPTION > > "An implementation is required to support IPv4 peering > > sessions. An implementation MAY support IPv6 peering > > sessions. IPv6 link-local peering sessions MAY > > supported by this MIB." > > > > The reason for this wording is that we've never come to proper > > consensus > > about ipv6-only routers. > > I don't have any issues with moving the sizes into the conformance > statements. My question specifically is about what we'd require in the MIB > for peering session support. > > The BGP-4 spec pretty much says you're going to have your peering > sessions via TCP on IPv4. > > We know you can do IPv6-only peering sessions. Further, there has been > some experimentation (largely related to IXes I think) that were IPv6 > link local only peering. > > The above language is intended to say: > 1) You must support IPv4 peering sessions. > > I think this is implied by the BGP-4 spec. However, that might be > inconsistent at a later date by people who have IPv6 only routers. This > is, admittedly, looking far into the future. > > 2) You can support IPv6 peering sessions. That's not really called out > in any specific spec but is bourne out by operational practice. I don't > believe this is controversial. However, the working group may not want > this in the MIB. > > 3) You can support IPv6 link local peering sessions. The only draft > that I remember on the topic is long expired. There were some > operational details that weren't controversial but do have impact on > RFC 2545 behaviors. The working group may choose to say "no, we don't > want this in the MIB at all". > Understand; I do not have a view, seeing very little IPv6 and then only experimental. Since this is a functional question about BGP4, and not one about the MIB, you might want to resend this message with a different title, in order to circumvent those whose blacklists include such words as 'MIB' and 'SNMP' :-) I think that the current wording is a fudge - 'is required to' for Ipv4, MAY for IPv6. I think that the former needs turning into a RFC2119 word, but do not know which it should be. Tom Petch > > Tom Petch > > -- Jeff _______________________________________________ Idr mailing list Idr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr
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- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… Joan Cucchiara
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… tom.petch
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… tom.petch
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Early MIB Dr. Review of draft-ietf-idr-… Joan Cucchiara
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- Re: [Idr] BGP MIBv2 discontinuity objects Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] BGP MIBv2 discontinuity objects Joan Cucchiara
- Re: [Idr] [MIB-DOCTORS] BGP MIBv2 discontinuity o… Jeffrey Haas
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