Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Wed, 12 December 2012 16:23 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00
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>>> I think Jon should remove any use case examples from the draft as
>>> there is no way one could enforce that the new range will _only_ be
>>> used in those use cases.
>> if there is no documented motivation for it, then we don't need the
>> draft at all.  simplifies live greatly.  great idea.  ;~>
> Then we lard up every draft with marketing material.  Is that better?

a use case != marketing material

without sayng why we want to do something, kinda hard to justify doing
it.  in this case, "we want to end run around the IR system for no
reason, just give us the cash and we'll leave."

and robert has been so vociferous about wanting requirements for other
things that it is hard to resist hoisting him on his own petard :)

randy