Re: [Idr] [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-performance-routing-02.txt

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Comments In-Line..

Thanks,
              Jim Uttaro

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Subject: Re: [Idr] [spring] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-performance-routing-02.txt

Hi Jeff,

Thanks for your comments. Please see my response inline.



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Subject:Re: [spring] [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-performance-routing-02.txt

Xiaohu,

few comments:

RFC7311 is very specific about containing routes with AIGP attribute within AIGP administrative domain, while not well defined in RFC7311, perhaps worth saying something?
[Jim U>] Yes.. The intention was to keep it loose as the use of BGP 3107 between AS domains should only require that administration of both is under the same entity. TBH I am not sure on that one either, I think it should be coordinating as AIGP metric needs to reflect the same metric upon evaluation in either domain.

[Xiaohu] In fact, the performance routing mechanism as described in this draft is targeted to be deployed across multiple domains which are under the control of the same administrative entity.

The value field of the AIGP TLV in RFC7311 is 8 octets long - draft defines 4 octet value, I assume you are following RFC8570 and RFC7471 encoding?

[Xiaohu] Your observation is correct.

Rather that making AIGP TLV and NETWORK_LATENCY TLV  mutually exclusive, perhaps defining how they interact, if both are present would be a better choice?
[Jim U>] Not sure why you need more that AIGP here.

[Xiaohu] I would consider it later.

Capability Advertisement - 3rd para doesn’t parse, be clear if it applies to labelled routes only (RFC7311 is vague here - "tunneling of some sort”)

[Xiaohu]???

Manipulation of the Unidirectional Link delay sub-TLV in IGP’s could natively be done by using  Unidirectional Link Delay TLV in RFC8571.

[Xiaohu] Sure.

3107 has been obsoleted by 8277

[Xiaohu] will update it, thanks again for your comments.

Best regards,
Xiaohu

Cheers,
Jeff
On Oct 15, 2019, 11:57 AM +0200, 徐小虎(义先) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc..com<mailto:xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc..com>>, wrote:

Hi all,

I just recently realized that the performance routing mechanism as described in this draft could facilitate the deployment of segment routing across multiple ASes of an administrative entity where low-latency SR paths across ASes are needed for carrying latency-sensitive and high-priority traffic. In this way, there is no need to resort to centralized TE controllers for calculating low-latency paths across ASes.

Any comments and suggestions are welcome.

Best regards,
Xiaohu





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Subject:[Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-performance-routing-02.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Inter-Domain Routing WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Performance-based BGP Routing Mechanism
        Authors         : Xiaohu Xu
                          Shraddha Hegde
                          Ketan Talaulikar
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Christian Jacquenet
 Filename        : draft-ietf-idr-performance-routing-02.txt
 Pages           : 10
 Date            : 2019-10-13

Abstract:
   The current BGP specification doesn't use network performance metrics
   (e.g., network latency) in the route selection decision process.
   This document describes a performance-based BGP routing mechanism in
   which network latency metric is taken as one of the route selection
   criteria.  This routing mechanism is useful for those server
   providers with global reach to deliver low-latency network
   connectivity services to their customers.



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