Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-02 (3/9 to 3/23)
Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> Wed, 24 March 2021 09:37 UTC
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 05:37:02 -0400
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To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-02 (3/9 to 3/23)
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+1 Cheers, Gyan On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 12:02 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > > I must agree with Nick point of view in 100% here. > > Indeed when discussions on LC were going on there was strong support from > operators stating this is what we want and it is good enough. Let's keep it > simple. > > For more advanced including well known actions let's focus on wide > communities as they have public and private use of communities build in > from day one. > > Many thx, > R. > > > > > On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 4:01 PM Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote: > >> Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote on 16/03/2021 00:03: >> > This draft is a proposal to use large communities to make a better >> > extended community. >> >> the original LC RFC specifies a global administrator field. This draft >> attempts to retrofit semantics into various bits in that field. I can >> see why it's tempting to attempt this, but it introduces a significant >> degree of interpretation semantics and, more importantly, backwards >> incompatibility. >> >> At the time when we were still discussing >> draft-heitz-idr-large-community, the issue of future flexibility and >> semantic interpretation was extensively discussed, and the consensus of >> the authors + working group was that it was more important to get a >> draft out there which implemented "deployed + simple" rather than going >> for a slightly more complex design which would have allowed future >> extensibility. >> >> The opportunity to use a more flexible structure was not taken at the >> time, for good reasons, and we knew at the time what those long term >> consequences of those decisions would be. >> >> Retrofitting this complexity into rfc8092 reopens these arguments, but >> from the point of view of watching the ship after it's sailing past the >> horizon. >> >> If we need a better asn32-compatible extended community, then we should >> define a better, asn32-compatible extended community and do the job >> properly. We should not try to claim that rfc8092 provides an >> appropriate framework for this, because it doesn't and because if we try >> to bend LCs in this way, it will leave us with a legacy of perpetual >> dysfunction. >> >> Nick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >> > _______________________________________________ > Idr mailing list > Idr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr > -- <http://www.verizon.com/> *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com <gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com>* *M 301 502-1347*
- [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-02 (… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Acee Lindem (acee)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Aijun Wang
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was Re: A… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Ben Maddison
- Re: [Idr] WKLC transitivity considerations (was R… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Alexander Azimov
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Nick Hilliard
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Susan Hares
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Brian Dickson
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [Idr] Adoption call for draft-heitz-idr-wklc-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: Adoption call for … Gyan Mishra