Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129

Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Tue, 01 November 2016 14:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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> Am I to understand that you consider deployment problems not to be
> technical problems?
>

​You stated clearly that Large is not subject to suffer from deployment
problems. So what other deployment problems you envision if those types
would be moved to early allocation by IANA ? ​


> BGP Path attribute codepoints are a global, shared resources. As
> Internet community we have vested IANA with the authority to assign
> resources from this pool. The social contract is that we abide by the
> rules related to IETF and IANA. The same rules we write ourselves.
>

​Few days back You and others complained that Wide was not implemented by
anyone for so many years. Now when we see it actually was implemented at
least by few BGP code basis ​it is again bad.

So to me the problem we need to solve is how to allow early implementations
for any proposal on the table especially now when we have no two but at
least 8 production BGP implementations (and growing). Forbidding it does
not seems to me like a solution to the main problem.

Kind regards,
R.