Re: [Idr] WG Adoption call draft-ymbk-idr-bgp-open-policy - (6/6 to 6/20/2016)

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Sat, 11 June 2016 02:05 UTC

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>> In spite of your concerns RS is a perfect place to deploy roles: RS does
>> not provide IP-transit (if there are no leaks!) but it *provides* local
>> connectivity. So, RS is provider for all its neighbors.
> You mean other then FT's OpenTransit ?

welcome to the kinky internet, where every thinkable and unthinkable act
is done; after all, it was invented in california. :)

if you are planning something kinky, do not bring a straight friend to
the party.  that is, as i said to job, if you intend to violate valley
free or peer-peer, do not run mechanisms designed to detect these as
errors.

perhaps we should design for the norm.  with things this complex, we can
always find corner cases.  though i guess one can make a career out of
finding them; it's a target rich environment.  true skill is in finding
the simple middle path.

randy