[Idr] Re: [Lsr] Re: Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 8:46 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > > > When I constructed 10 full racks of hardware using ISIS folks were shocked > - and pointed out that I am not using an IETF standard approach :). Then > when I demonstrated that connectivity restoration upon any node or link > failure is repaired in less then 50 ms the masks went off. > ;-) > > Maybe what is actually needed is an informational RFC - just like RFC7938 > - simply illustrating that one can construct DC using ISIS. It is obvious > to me, but I admit there is no RFC I am aware of to show operators that > "Large-Scale Data Centers" can be robustly build with IGPs. > I think it's open secret by now that one very, very large hyperscaler ran OSPF in all fabrics ... --- tony
- [Idr] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Gyan Mishra
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Wang, Kevin
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Wang, Kevin
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Wang, Kevin
- [Idr] Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.… Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: [Lsr] Re: Re: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-wa… Tony Przygienda
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Wang, Kevin
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Robert Raszuk
- [Idr] Re: I-D Action: draft-wang-idr-dpf-00.txt Kevin Wang