Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129

Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Tue, 01 November 2016 16:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Idr] Working group adoption call for draft-snijders-idr-deprecate-30-31-129
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> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> 
>> Few days back You and others complained that Wide was not implemented
>> by anyone for so many years. Now when we see it actually was
>> implemented at least by few BGP code basis it is again bad.
> 
> You might not view it this way, but I am actually looking out for Wide's
> chances of deployment. At this point it is not known which version of
> the wide draft was implemented, or even if the implementation is
> compatible with said specification. It really is in -wide-'s best
> interest to _not_ use attribute 129.

FWIW, I concur with this point.  For the time being, making sure 129 is out of the pool makes sense.

Robert and I will be discussing reverting the most recent changes to the common header in our attempt to get that onto Large communities.  That should put the document back in harmony with the likely implementation.  (That, and removing code point 2 since it's covered by Large now anyway.)

-- Jeff