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Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard

Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Wed, 26 April 2017 09:55 UTC

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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 11:55:48 +0200
From: Gert Doering <gert@space.net>
To: "t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard
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Hi,

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:45:57AM +0100, t.petch wrote:
> If you stop propagating routes, then you create black holes.  How many
> black holes of what size will this change create?  How will those black
> holes be detected?  What will be the damage to the Internet as a result?

Black holes get usually noticed very quickly by those *responsible* for
them.

Routing leaks get noticed by the victims, usually not by those responsible.

Gert Doering
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have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?

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