Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard

Job Snijders <job@instituut.net> Mon, 24 April 2017 18:20 UTC

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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 14:20:29 -0400
From: Job Snijders <job@instituut.net>
To: Enke Chen <enkechen@cisco.com>
Cc: Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se>, "idr@ietf.org" <idr@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] IETF LC for IDR-ish document <draft-ietf-grow-bgp-reject-05.txt> (Default EBGP Route Propagation Behavior Without Policies) to Proposed Standard
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On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:12:37AM -0700, Enke Chen wrote:
> On 4/24/17 11:09 AM, Job Snijders wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:02:45AM -0700, Enke Chen wrote:
> >> It appears that you have missed a bunch of discussions in the thread.
> >>
> >> The CLI migration falls apart when a customer skips releases and jumps
> >> from one release ("permit all") to another ("deny all").
> > 
> > Only if they don't read release notes, do not perform any testing, do
> > not use a staggered deploy, missed the announcements through the NOGs,
> > missed the customer briefings.
> 
> Unfortunately, yes, especially in the enterprise market ...

You can even tie this to the depreciation cylce, if it takes multiple
years to get there that is fine.

Kind regards,

Job