Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt
Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> Tue, 04 July 2017 09:02 UTC
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Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 11:02:55 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Idr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd-03.txt
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John, Today vast majority of OPEN policy clients share single RS view/table so you do best path and update generation once for all of them. The moment you introduce per client state you are braking those apart into individual views. Even those with policy today have subset of nets in their own tables not all. So this optimization also goes away. So if you send clients real paths they locally can repair failures without any additional state per client on RS. That is why I called it "a waist". And this is not 100 it is 100 x number of clients say 1000 of dynamic state which triggers 1000 best paths and update generations on propagated failures of best path. Thx R. On Jul 4, 2017 03:07, "John Scudder" <jgs@juniper.net> wrote: > On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > > > > What happens when RS gets 100 paths for policy eligible net for a given > client ? > > > > Client will enable waist > > Waist? > > > of 100 bfd sessions and what is much worse will report state of those > 100 next hops to RS ? > > Unclear to me why reporting 100 next hops is so bad? > > > This is so bad .... > > Perhaps you can elaborate on why you think so. > > --John
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