Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP
Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com> Fri, 31 July 2020 22:54 UTC
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From: Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:54:08 -0400
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To: Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net>
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Subject: Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP
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Please count me all in as well on the rejuvenation effort!! Kind Regards Gyan On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:06 PM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > Can you provide any references to other proposals aiming at this space > within BGP ? > > Thank you, > R. > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 12:03 AM Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> There had been a variety of proposals (to my memory) to decouple >> BGP(kitchen sink) from BGP(reachability). >> I’d be all in to rejuvenate this effort, and use Robert’ document as the >> starting point. >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff >> On Jul 31, 2020, 2:26 PM -0700, Gyan Mishra <hayabusagsm@gmail.com>, >> wrote: >> >> >> Sounds like plan. >> >> I like the win-win for BGP.👍 >> >> Those two camps Service Provider and Enterprise are closely aligning and >> converging as a major the variable is size, and if the private closed >> domain is a worldwide massive network, they are very close to being >> completely aligned as is the case with Verizon and maybe other Tier 1 and >> Tier 2 providers. Of course the closed domain bar can swing from tiny to >> massive which is your point. Agreed. >> >> I agree on the former however the IETF has individual representation from >> all camps thus the world we live in and cannot satisfy everyone but the bar >> can swing from small to large. Finding the happy medium is a challenge but >> that is part of our job in achieving WG consensus and IETF adoption on any >> protocol specification. >> >> That being said from an IETF and protocol development perspective you >> have to think of the trickle down of the protocol specifications as it >> applies to all vendors and all routers switches appliances you name it that >> runs any protocol or specification developed - ospf Isis BGP MPLS SR etc. >> >> Since that protocol specification developed by the IETF can sit on a tiny >> CPE box running BGP MPLS SR or even BIER or commodify incumbent hardware >> vendor Service Provider massive OTN box with high 400G density, or NFV >> server - router VNFs, or 1RU pizza box white box running disaggregated >> software from incumbent commodity vendor, the IETF standard is a standard >> for all implementation of the protocol specification independent of >> hardware mode or brand big or small it applies to every vendor development >> and implementing software. >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Gyan >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:48 AM Robert Raszuk <robert@raszuk.net> wrote: >> >>> Very true ... we could always rename it to "Internet routing related" >>> >>> In fact this should be win-win for both ... more stable Internet on one >>> hand and lower bar for new twicks and mangling with BESS like or NETCONF >>> like insertions to essentially a p2mp path vector protocol. >>> >>> In fact we see it more and more these days (example SRv6-NP long >>> discussions) where Internet engineering and stability and close domain >>> network design and engineering do not align. They are very different and >>> trying to either stretch one or trim the other what we see in number of >>> IETF WGs is just not the right thing to do. >>> >>> One would think that IETF as the name says is about the former ... but >>> if we see RFCs and drafts maybe just a small percentage of them indicates >>> so. Almost like the "I" there stands for IP and not Internet .... >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 6:17 AM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> > Please review this draft and let Robert and myself know if its >>>> something >>>> > worth reviving. >>>> > >>>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-raszuk-ti-bgp-01 >>>> >>>> imiho, there are a lot of things currently called "routing related" i >>>> would throw on the other side of that wall. >>>> >>>> randy >>>> >>> -- >> >> <http://www.verizon.com/> >> >> *Gyan Mishra* >> >> *Network Solutions A**rchitect * >> >> >> >> *M 301 502-1347 13101 Columbia Pike >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/13101+Columbia+Pike%C2%A0+Silver+Spring,+MD?entry=gmail&source=g>*Silver >> Spring, MD >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/13101+Columbia+Pike%C2%A0+Silver+Spring,+MD?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Idr mailing list >> Idr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/idr >> >> -- <http://www.verizon.com/> *Gyan Mishra* *Network Solutions A**rchitect * *M 301 502-134713101 Columbia Pike *Silver Spring, MD
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- [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Robert Raszuk
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- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] The automatic policy exchange by draft-… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] The automatic policy exchange by draft-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] The automatic policy exchange by draft-… Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Idr] The automatic policy exchange by draft-… Jakob Heitz (jheitz)
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Randy Bush
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Jeff Tantsura
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Robert Raszuk
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Gyan Mishra
- Re: [Idr] Transport Instance BGP Jeff Tantsura