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Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

"Susan Hares" <shares@ndzh.com> Fri, 21 December 2012 00:41 UTC

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Ed: 

 

+ 1 agree to your point.  Therefore,  I think the text is fine with the MUST
as it is.   

 

Sue 

 

 

From: Edward Crabbe [mailto:edc@google.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 7:08 PM
To: Susan Hares
Cc: Nick Hilliard; Jon Mitchell; idr wg
Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

 

Yep, agree with MUST usage for 'the global internet", but not for arbitrary
ebgp peers, per Nick's mail.  

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 4:01 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Edward:

 

+1 - that Certainly Acquisitions and ASN mergers will cause multiple private
ASNs. 

 

The draft's text says :

 

" Private Use ASNs must be removed from the AS_Path before being advertised
to the global Internet."  

 

The question is not whether it goes out of a single Private ASN, but whether
it cross the global Internet.  For example, if several private DCs band
together to have a private exchange beyond the reaches of the global
Internet, I have no reason to specify what happens with private ASN behind
in those private party exchanges. 

 

How do certain Acquisition and ASN mergers cause private ASN to cross the
global Internet?  And why are these private AS not being hidden by a public
AS or AS Confederation. 

 

Sue 

 

From: Edward Crabbe [mailto:edc@google.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 6:34 PM
To: Nick Hilliard
Cc: Jon Mitchell; idr wg; Susan Hares


Subject: Re: [Idr] WGLC on draft-ietf-idr-as-private-reservation-00

 

+1

 

Acquisitions, ASN merges etc may all involve use of private ASN space
between consenting parties.  I think this is a SHOULD.  

 

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:

On 20/12/2012 22:38, Jon Mitchell wrote:
> I'm comfortable making the change to a capital MUST for this sentence
> and adding the appropriate reference to RFC 2119 as necessary.  I'm just
> not comfortable telling operators how to perform that action as there
> are a number of options to do so, which was my point to David (and he
> seemed to be ok with).  I will make the changes as necessary to the
> abstract where this statement exists as well.

If it's of interest, rfc 6666 ran into much the same issue recently with
the issue of leaking the rtbh prefix to ebgp peers.  We decided on SHOULD
rather than MUST because there probably were situations where there might
be valid operational reasons for leaking the prefix to a peer. I would
think the same arguments hold for a private ASN range.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6666#section-5

Nick


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