Re: [ieee-ietf-coord] Coordination Gathering Needed in Prague?

Alexandru Petrescu <alexandru.petrescu@gmail.com> Thu, 04 April 2019 08:55 UTC

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Subject: Re: [ieee-ietf-coord] Coordination Gathering Needed in Prague?
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I propose I use 0xFFFF for now for CAMs over empty BTP and GeoNetworking.

I suppose 0xffff is not used, as it is the last one.

I can not plan for budget for it at this time, but I need to use it in 
the street.  I can provide the location if needed.

I want to thank you for the clarification.

The blocking point to further exploring is the apparent necessity of 
Registration Fee of cca 3k usd.  It is not the amount, but it is the 
potential risk of temporary  use.  It's hard to pay money just for a few 
months of use.  I dont know whether it will be succesful any further to 
warrant spending, for now.

Alex

Le 15/03/2019 à 16:59, Donald Eastlake a écrit :
> Of course the IEEE Registration Authority is the authoritative source
> for Ethertype assignment information. See
> https://standards.ieee.org/products-services/regauth/index.html It is
> somewhat of a historic accident that there is an informational listing
> of historic and IETF relevant Ethertypes on the IANA web
> pages...Thanks,Donald=============================== Donald E.
> Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell) 1424 Pro Shop Court, Davenport,
> FL 33896 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 11:29 AM Peter Yee <peter@akayla.com>; wrote:
>>
>> Ethertype 0x8948 is already assigned (although not listed on the IANA's page for Ethertypes, which is not the definitive listing of Ethertypes).  If you have a need for an Ethertype, you should reference RFC 7042 (Section 3) and the IANA's IEEE 802 Numbers page (https://www.iana.org/assignments/ieee-802-numbers/ieee-802-numbers.xhtml)  for more information.  Donald Eastlake (primary) and Juan Carlos Zuniga (secondary) are the IANA-designated experts for Ethertypes.
>>
>>                  -Peter
>>
>> On 3/15/19, 3:14 AM, "ieee-ietf-coord on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu" <ieee-ietf-coord-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>; wrote:
>>
>> One of my collaborators (RSU manufacturer) asked me in private which
>> EtherType to use  other than the allocated 0x8947 for GeoNetworking, on
>> which to send CAM messages from car to Road-Side Units that use empty
>> GeoNetworking and BTP headers.
>>
>> These are not IP messages, but are transmitted on IEEE 802.11 OCB.  They
>> do contain ETSI GeoNetworking headers but these headers are empty
>> because we dont trust their necessity.
>>
>> We agreed to put such CAMs with empty GeoNetowrking headers present both
>> on cars and on Road-Side Units, we agreed to put at a particular 5.9GHz
>> channel, but we explore which EtherType to use.
>>
>> Is there some 'trial' EtherType for vehicles, which would not disturb
>> others, be future proof, be available immediately (in the following
>> months).
>>
>> I thought to suggest 0x8948 (the next after 0x8947) but I dont know.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> Le 20/02/2019 à 20:53, Russ Housley a écrit :
>>> During the coordination call today, no one had a topic that needed a gathering in Prague.  Since some of you could not make the call, we wanted to ask the list before deciding that there was not a reason to get together.  If you know of a topic, please speak now.
>>>
>>> Russ
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