Re: [Ieprep] proposed charter
Curtis Villamizar <curtis@occnc.com> Tue, 26 September 2006 10:56 UTC
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In message <DB1139D6-40D4-46B3-BFAE-3BF1F55C5C16@cisco.com> Fred Baker writes: > > >> Any effort which requires the whole world to agree before getting > >> started will never get started. > > So will any effort which requires the people who care and are > prepared to implement to write requirements documents, but precludes > them from actually doing the work in favor of someone else who has to > be convinced. That didn't parse very well. You can write all the requirements documents in the IETF you want. Real work happens when someone is sufficiently interested to fund real work, meaning create some running code and run it on a real network. The protocols that move through the process most quickly have an urgent need and are implemented and often deployed before hitting RFC status. The IETF WG then reconciles differences between the initial implementation and requirements that were either overlooked or discovered in initial deployment. "Interest" in something doesn't mean willingness to provide lip service (write documents). We have an overabundance of that throughout the IETF and other standards bodies. If interoperability is required and for anything of importance in networking it generally is, then the providers and vendors work together (in theory at least, though it is obviously an imperfect process) and make things interoperate. Insistance on standardization before implementation just results in bad protocl standards with bells and whistles not needed and missed real requirements. Maybe IEPREP already has too many spec writers and not enough implementors motivated by deployment intentions. Curtis ps - If something languishes for 6 years, either there is too little real interest even if the spec was finally published or in very rare cases it got implemented and deployed based on a draft and there was lost interest in a bogged down IETF process. _______________________________________________ Ieprep mailing list Ieprep@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ieprep
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