Re: [Ieprep] Re: WG Review: Recharter of Internet Emergency Preparedness (ieprep)
"Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org> Thu, 16 November 2006 14:01 UTC
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From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" <bidulock@openss7.org>
To: Janet P Gunn <jgunn6@csc.com>
Subject: Re: [Ieprep] Re: WG Review: Recharter of Internet Emergency Preparedness (ieprep)
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Janet, On Thu, 16 Nov 2006, Janet P Gunn wrote: > > In the circuit switched world, a circuit is either up or down, and > "preemption" means taking the circuit down. > Well, no. I think that I have mentioned here before in a previous discussion on the topic of preemption that local telephone switches often congest on the basis of line-side call attempts. This often happens during natural disasters than invoke a collective behaviour and result in mass calling attempts (often to 911). The result on the switch is delayed dial tone (sometimes minutes depending on the persistence of other callers). It has always been technically possible in the design of telephone exchanges (based on principles applied to military switching systems) to preempt or further degrade service to some lines to allow other lines a higher probability of completing a call is a shorter interval of time. Some local switches had a line class option that would permit this. Most jurisdictions, (and carrier lawyers), deemed that, in the public telephony, the importance of a telephone call cannot be determined by the line that it originates on, as it surely can in the case of military telephony. In public telephony it is deemed only that the importance of a call can be determined by its destination (e.g. 911) rather than its origin. I think that the same principles apply to public telephone calls regardless of whether they traverse the so antiquited circuit switched network, or the new fangled Internet. I think most regulatory bodies responsible for both agree with that too. I don't think that whether idle capacity is incremental in unit circuits or continous bandwidth really has much to do with it. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ _______________________________________________ Ieprep mailing list Ieprep@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ieprep
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