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[ietf-822] Re: Comment on experimental RFC9078

Dave Crocker <dhc@dcrocker.net> Wed, 17 July 2024 19:55 UTC

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On 7/17/2024 12:48 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote:
> At $WORK I have tried promoting empty RFC6854 group format From:
> headers as a way to communicate this.  But nobody even seems to
> know what a group address is, so that fell flat on its face 😛

The group address format was one of those obviously good ideas which, 
unfortunately, never gained traction.


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