[ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Recipient" Proposal
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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 07:42:03 -0700
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Subject: [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Recipient" Proposal
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On 7/29/2024 7:05 AM, Paul Smith* wrote: > It could be useful for mailing service providers: - "I no longer want > these" tells them something different from "I never signed up for this > spam" about their customer (who is the one 'sending' the messages) As I recall, studies of user behavior indicate that users are not nuanced or even all that thoughtful about the attributes of mail they don't want. They just don't want it. So the semantics of hitting one of these buttons is: STOP. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net mast:@dcrocker@mastodon.social
- [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Recipie… David Weekly
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Paul Smith*
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… John Levine
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Hector Santos
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Paul Smith*
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… S Moonesamy
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Dave Crocker
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Alessandro Vesely
- Re: [ietf-822] Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Dave Crocker
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Alessandro Vesely
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Richard Clayton
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Paul Smith*
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Dave Crocker
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… Alessandro Vesely
- [ietf-822] Re: Looking for Feedback on "Wrong Rec… John Levine