[ietf-822] Re: Comment on experimental RFC9078

Alessandro Vesely <vesely@tana.it> Fri, 19 July 2024 15:48 UTC

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On Fri 19/Jul/2024 00:30:13 +0200 John Levine wrote:
> It appears that Alessandro Vesely  <vesely@tana.it> said:
>>What if the MUA I regularly use can handle reactions, but I happen to send a 
>>message from another MUA, which doesn't?  Or the other way around.
> 
> Then your mail will be inconsistent.
> 
> The mail I send from my phone already looks quite different from the mail I
> send from my laptop.  That shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone.  And there are
> plenty of attachments I can receive on one but not the other, or that look reasonable
> on one and useless on the other.


Using a client which cannot open a given attachment doesn't make the system 
inconsistent.  When you're back to the office you can always get at that 
message with a better MUA.

Asking that question is a usual way to understand whether a feature belongs to 
the server or to the client.  Think translating the names of standard IMAP 
folders, for example.

The ability to receive or not reaction mail looks to me like a server feature. 
Yet, soliciting reactions can well be a per-message, client option.


Best
Ale
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