[Ietf-and-github] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with COMMENT)

Alexey Melnikov via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> Thu, 12 March 2020 10:54 UTC

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Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for
draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: Yes

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(Updated, see comments from Francesca below)
I am agreeing with many issues raised by Mirja.

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The following comments were provided by Francesca Palombini
<francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>om>. My comments are marked with [[Alexey:]]
below.

Francesca would have balloted *YES* on this document. She wrote:

Comment:

I see the value of the document stating: "if you use GitHub, this is the best
practice, if you want to follow it." The document motivates covering GitHub by
stating that it has "a very large community of contributors". I still think
some additional considerations should be there about using other services,
possibly having IETF hosting a git server, even by saying "it is out of scope
of this document" (implying it might be covered by a different BCP?).

Section 4.1 "When deciding to use GitHub..."
I'd like a sentence saying that WG chairs SHOULD evaluate over time and MAY
change these policies based on the WG experience. I do think what described in
this document is very valuable, but let's not forget that each WG is different
and might need to make tweaks on the way, to get the best out of it. -- Just
reached Section 5 where this is stated. Still think it would be good to have it
in Section 4.1 as well.