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Re: [Ietf-and-github] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-git-using-github-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> Thu, 12 March 2020 00:52 UTC

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> On 12 Mar 2020, at 11:48 am, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:
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> However, I wouldn't object to making it clearer. Perhaps: "The choice of whether to use Github or whether to adopt these practices if they do is at the discretion of the WG".

That would help a lot, as would further clarification in the abstract (as discussed). 


> However, I would be sad to see us back off the claim that it's best current practice, because, as I said, that's the point of having a WG.

I'm not against it being a BCP with those clarifications -- although it seems like there are continuing questions about what the normative force of a BCP is. Happy to punt those to a later day, however. And I'd hate to make you sad.

Cheers,

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